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Is healthcare a right?
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Permalink Reply by Gibson on -
it better be
else i'ma raise hell with more then just words on the idiotic politican who denies the right
lol :)
start dealing meds, haha
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Permalink Reply by Anubis on -
No.
Not if I am unwillingly paying for someone elses HC.
rights: Life (Not being murdered by someone), Liberty(free to make own choices) and happiness ((Which when the constitution was written ment 'persuit of chance' I.E.: You have the CHANCE to be successful.
Extras: Education, H.C., etc. ((Is not saying these are not necessary things, but they are not rights)
-Anubis
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Permalink Reply by Persian Paladin on -
If your mother is sick, does she have a right to have her life saved? Is her life more valuable than commerce?
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Permalink Reply by Anubis on
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If my mother was sick I would help her w/ my money by my own choice. Or go to a private charity but I don't think it is right to force some one else to do it unwillingly.
If I was sick I would find a way to pay for it, or seak private donations, not some gov. handout stollen from some one.
When I go to college I will NOT be taking ANY student loans because I don't think it is my neighbors job to pay for my college ((My parents don't have money for it, so I will have to put my self through))
-Anubis
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Permalink Reply by Persian Paladin on
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I've just remembered, that I started a topic on this over a year ago: -
http://geeks.pirillo.com/forum/topics/is-health-care-a-human-right-1?
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Permalink Reply by implying implications on -
independent here, both liberals and conservatives are faggots, that is all.
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Permalink Reply by Persian Paladin on
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The "rights" approach is the wrong paradigm. There are no "rights," except those as are generated in the surrender of sovereignty to the state or as are imposed by the state (e.g., "property rights"). On the other hand, a stateless society which does not address the needs of the sick equitably is doomed; it is understandable that in the face of the corporate stranglehold on the health care system, we yearn for salvation from the state, as if it, too, were not a tool of the corporate system. We must encourage care-givers, including medical care givers, to practice outside the current for-profit culture, attack "professionalization" which amounts to monopolitistic consolidation of control over the delivery of services, discredit Big Pharm, etc. Movement in any other direction digs in the power of Kapital in its various manifestations.
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Permalink Reply by Anubis on
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It is impossible for a private company to run w/ o profit in mind. W/ o profit there is no business.
And I am not sure I want the government running any thing, let alone my H.C.
This country did fine before all of these damn well-fare state programs.
-Anubis
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Permalink Reply by Persian Paladin on
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That isn't an honest assessment of the history, I'm afraid.
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Permalink Reply by DGH on -
I agree 100% that the "rights" approach is the wrong paradigm. But you are 100% wrong on the idea that there are no rights except those generated by the state. That is the exact opposite of where rights come from.
You have rights based on your status as a human being. They are granted to you by God.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, . . .
The State's role is to protect the rights that you have (as a human being) from those who would violate them. Sometimes the State does a good job - sometimes it does not. In the worst cases - the State itself violates your rights.
This is a HUGE misconception in the torture debate. I get furious when people say that people who are not US citizens do not have the same rights that we do. Yes they do! We don't have rights because the US government gave them to us. We have rights because we are human and God gave them to us. We just happen to be lucky to have a government that tries (usually as best it can) to protect those rights. The question is not "do non-citizens have the same rights as citizens?" The question is "does the US government have the same obligation to protect the rights of non-citizens that it does to protect citizens"? (In the torture cases - the US government not only failed to protect the rights of non-citizens, but it actively violated them (in the name of self defense)).
I'll address the "health-care as a right" question in another post - but I wanted to add my two cents about this "rights are given to you by the government" foolishness. Even in the most tyrannical country in the world - you still have rights. The problem is not that you don't have rights - it's that the government in that country will violate those rights.
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