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Permalink Reply by Mad Max on May 3, 2011 at 6:23pm

I'm really sorry to hear that, I hope you can get a new job ASAP! It sucks that they get rid of the best paid (and generally most experienced and most capable) first as it looks better on the books. Meh.

 

Anyway, I'll tell you where the "affordable healthcare" is. At the bottom of the tank, because so many people were so dead set against it because they "didn't want to pay for someone else's health care". I'm sure you know how much he tried to get the damn thing through and the stupid number of concessions that they had to make to actually pass it. It's nothing like the original plan because sadly that's how democracy works. It's like design by committee, you end up with something that's mediocre at best because you have to make everyone happy, but nobody is happy and it just ends up as a bunch of compromises to make people think they had a say.

 

You can't really Blame Obama, blame the system. If he had it his way you'd have your own NHS now (or the beginnings of one). I never understood how the most powerful and richest nation on the planet is so against things like universal health care. It's seen as a basic human right here in Europe and most of the industrialised world.

 

Sorry if this came off as bashy, that isn't the intention. I just don't get the whole "if you can't afford it you die" mentality that seems to exist over there.

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Permalink Reply by DTM on May 4, 2011 at 11:36am

So, what was the point of any of it then? All it did was drive up costs even more, and nobody gets any benefit of it, anywhere. I have yet to see it.

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Permalink Reply by implying implications on May 5, 2011 at 3:45am

as mad max said, the point was pretty much lost over time due to people stonewalling the idea, and I somewhat remember you being one of it's bashers...  Who you should really be mad at are the rich elite, and the companies that profit from private healthcare, that also said, I completely agree with mad max and do not see anything he did not explain. I am merely clearing it up.

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Permalink Reply by JS on May 6, 2011 at 9:34am

I'm very sorry to hear that, friend. However, check one of the following (depending on your age):

 

I don't know at what age "senior" is defined to start in the US, but (if I remember correctly) you might already qualify:

http://www.healthcare.gov/foryou/seniors/have/affordable/index.html 

 

If not, you might be covered by Medicaid:

http://www.healthcare.gov/foryou/healthy/losing/medicaid/index.html

 

Also, check:
http://www.healthcare.gov/foryou/healthy/need/index.html 

or

http://www.healthcare.gov/foryou/conditions/index.html (if you have a pre-existing condition)

 

 

But it has to be said, had Obama had his way with the healthcare bill, this really wouldn't be a problem, as the US would have an NHS-like system by now.

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Permalink Reply by Tyler Brown on May 7, 2011 at 9:42am

When you have corruption, you can't get affordability. 

 

Honestly, what needs to happen is you just need to get government out of it. And how about going to a method where you work out payment methods with your doctor, and not through an insurance corporation, or be forced to pay for it via your pay-check through income tax (Which I view as theft because you're taxing people for working, aka being productive, whereas a sales tax would be more fair, as its taxing consumption on non-essential items). 

 

And honestly, as much as people on the other side like to attack the Free Market on it, I like to ask, wheres the Free Market been? Certainly Insurance companies haven't created a Free Market Atmosphere, where the Hospitals aren't competing for you as a patient, but for you as a living breathing bag of insurance money. 

 

And, the Free Market does work with HealthCare. And by Free Market, I mean no Government, and no Insurance Corporations. Look at LASIK eye Surgery. Well lets see, the cost has gone down every year, while technology has improved, oh, and the doctors providing the service must still provide a reputable service to stay in Business. And thats the result of a Free Market in that sector of Healthcare, not government or insurance intervention. 

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