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Comment by Adam N. Outler on June 18, 2010 at 1:37pm

I'm making a Ubuntu Linux based os for tuning cars. I will give credit where credit is due. I am only making the part that the user and the car interacts with.

Comment by Gibson on June 18, 2010 at 1:28pm

You just said they both Suck.

Made obsolutely no sense, So if you hate both, that i'd assume you have no reason to be in any of those debates around here if you have no side to choose from, Which you don't have to, but i see no reason for you to be apart of it, if it does not concern you.

You call Apple Smart? yeah Ok, Neither of them are really smart.

Comment by Gavin Roskamp on June 18, 2010 at 1:04pm

Apple Mac OS X uses the FreeBSD base, which is Unix. Microsoft's Windows XP, Vista, 7, use the Windows NT base. Microsoft didn't want to use a Linux base or a Unix base when they first started, because they had already made MS-DOS. They built their first OSs on DOS, then made Windows NT as an upgrade of sorts. It would be a nightmare if Microsoft tried to move their OSs to Linux/Unix.

Unix is a very solid core. Apple was smart to choose it. Apple took the core, and FreeBSD, and made something far better. They created all the things the user sees and interacts with. FreeBSD/Unix is just the underlying core, giving it stability and vulnerability to viruses. Apple did do their own work, guys. They say that it is Unix based, so they are giving credit.

And let's NOT start this into a Mac vs. PC fight. They both suck. End of story. All computers suck in their own way. It's a personal choice that you have to make for what you want to deal with. I deal with both, hate both, and love both. I depend on both. That's *MY* choice. Now go make yours and don't hate on people for their choices.

Comment by Gibson on June 18, 2010 at 9:50am

i totally agree with you Adam N. Majority of Apple's operating systems arn't even developed by them anyways, they couldn't start their own OS by themsevles like microsoft did. I've noticed some weird stuff in the jail breaksl, come to think of it something BSD always came up, but i never new FreeBSD was an operating system, perhaps linux based? this is rather hilarious

Comment by Adam N. Outler on June 18, 2010 at 8:44am

Thing is, apple just has the small ideas. The people who did the work are freeBSD devs. You can look at the binaries included on the phone after you jailbreak it and they all say BSD somewhere. IPhone os is a skin and a apple business model protection layer for freeBSD.

At least Google gives credit to those who did the actual work.

Comment by Matthew Johnson on June 18, 2010 at 8:20am

Another note, because of how patents work, even the simplest ideas on how an operating system should work have to be different from each other. If both phones allowed the creation of short-cuts and one phone had a patent on their method the other phone could do the same thing so long as it's procedure was different.

So even when it comes to the small ideas and features there is a certain level of innovation if they want to offer the option. Sure it's not creating the newest form of technology but it is, at least, something.

Comment by Nathan Davies on June 18, 2010 at 6:07am

Just a note, ObjectiveC was not made for the iPhone. It's been around for a lot longer than that, and can be used on many platforms including Linux.

Comment by Adam N. Outler on June 18, 2010 at 5:19am

Well they are posix operating systems. Posix basically means cross unix compatable. Mac did not build their operating system. It was already there and based on unix. Google bases theirs on Linux which has a large community following and active development. You could say they are as related as two countries in the same world. Google's android platform is democratic and Apple's iPhone platform is somewhere between communist or fudalist. You have a king (apple) and you have lords who pay Apple to develop for them.

They are basically working with the same stuff. Multi-touch, Linux filesyatem, phone, wireless g.... Their methods are completely different. Apple fosters an environment which supports itself and Google supports the people's freedom of expression through software.

Yes they are the same, but apple made a special iPhone programming language called ObjectiveC and Google made a Java API. If you learn to program iPhone, you will be able to program iPhone. If you learn to program Android, you have learned to program on Windows, Mac and Linux.

So in conclusion, they are practically the same. IPhone looks out for itself and blocks programming which might interfere with Apple's business model and Android does not.

-sent from my iPhone.
I will buy an android when my contract is up.

Comment by Michael on June 18, 2010 at 4:57am

Of course they are going to be alike...the mighty blue apple now has almost endless resources and can just assemble a team of devs to make anything they consider an option they want to include in a phone. They just steal ideals others like from other phones.....not inovations or creativity just hey I like that from people. OK we have the money give them some of what they want......Ipad...inovation NO old stuff on a similar albe it bigger device.....Jobs keep thinking brother.....others have done it way before you.....